Molly Claire 00:39

Hey everyone, welcome to this week's podcast episode. It is a candid interview with my dear friend and colleague, Kris Jones. And I wanted to do this interview with her because part of the premise behind Life, Mastered is the idea that life mastered is not a life of perfection. Life mastered means we are in it. We are leaning in. We are continuing to learn the lessons we need to learn. We are putting one foot in front of the other and we are allowing it to be messy, which can be challenging, right? So I'm so excited to share this interview with you. One of the things that really stood out to me in this conversation with Kris is just how isolating experiences that we have in life can be, whether that is the external inputs that are creating that isolation, that sense of isolation for us, or whether it is our internal workings that are really causing us to feel isolated because of what's rolling within us. And I think this is really worth thinking about because the truth is that every single one of us experience feelings of isolation. And I just want to tell you that you're not alone in that isolation, as ironic as it is. And there can be a lot of power in those times of isolation because of what we can create within it. So I hope you love this interview as much as I enjoyed this conversation with Kris. Before we start the interview, I have two really important announcements to make. Number one, you're going to be hearing more about this, but I am releasing a book this month that I have co-authored with 12 of my Master Coaches. The book is called She Rises, Insights and Wisdom from the Women of the Masterful Coach Collective. And here in the show notes and on my website, you can sign up to be the first to know to get a killer deal when the book comes out. And you're really going to support us in moving this powerful work forward. So check that out and sign up and get ready to hear more about that in the coming weeks. The other thing that I want to let you know is that I have a retreat I am doing this fall and I have offered it up to my clients first. And now it is open if you have been following me and you love this work and you're interested in spending some time together in an intimate setting. This retreat is open to you. The link is also here in the show notes. You can always email my team, [email protected], send an inquiry about it. It is going to be me and the amazing Melanie Faye running this retreat together. It is called the Deep Reset Retreat. And trust me when I say it is going to be phenomenal. 

Molly Claire 03:28

All right, let's go ahead and dive into this interview with the amazing Kris Jones. Welcome, everyone, to this week's episode of Life, Mastered, the podcast. You are going to love today's conversation. I am sure of that. You know, this podcast is really about understanding what does it really mean for us to master life? We know it's not about checking boxes. It's really about being real with ourselves and how do we lean into and face the very real challenges that come our way. And today I wanted to have a conversation with one of my good friends and colleagues, Kris Jones. Hi, Kris. Welcome to the podcast.

Kris Jones 04:15

Hello. I'm thrilled to be here.

Molly Claire 04:18

It's so, so fun to have you here. And the reason I wanted to bring Kris, because you've probably heard Kris on the podcast before. She is a brilliant copywriter. She specializes in story brand copy. She's a brilliant business woman. She and I are in a mastermind group together. She's come and taught my clients and worked with many of them. So she's a brilliant, beautiful human being, brilliant business woman. And underneath and behind the scenes for Kris, just like all of us, there have been some pretty significant challenges in life. And I asked Kris if she'd be willing to come and talk a little bit about hers. And she said, yes, so here we are. So Kris, quickly tell us, I know I kind of touched on it, but professionally, business-wise, tell a little about your business and then we'll talk about Jude, your son.

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Kris Jones 05:08

So I work with coaches, mostly coaches and consultants, who are client-based, so really anyone that works with clients, and I help them tell their story online, on their website, on their social media, anywhere they show up online and in person. It's really important to have a clear and compelling story that you tell about your business. And when I talk about story, that can mean a lot of things to different people, but the work I do is really about crafting a narrative that invites your potential clients into a story with you, a story where you play the character of the guide, aka the Yoda or Mr. Miyagi, and your clients are really the hero of your story. And when you tell your story in this way, you get more clients because people resonate with you. They can envision what it's like to work with you, and also you get to have more confidence because you have the words to communicate what you do and the value of it. And when you can do that, not only do you feel more confident, but you can start to charge more for what you do because the value comes through and you become known for solving a very important problem and you become memorable, right? That's half the battle as the coach is just, can people remember what you do? So we really dig deep, your story is inside of you. And the work that I do is really, I call it, we mine for gold. How do we dig that story out from inside your head and your heart and polish up those golden nuggets and then allow you to show up in your best, most confident self and charge what you're worth and get to work with the people you love and work with people that value what you do? It's such a gift. It's like, it's a great ripple effect, but it allows you to focus on the work that you love and not spend so much time week after week, year after year marketing your business. We set you up with tools that kind of do that on autopilot so you can focus on your client work and the things that really matter to you. So that's the work that I do. I've been doing this work now 23 years. I started way back when with bigger companies like Nike and Adidas and Jeff Bezos was even a client of mine at one point in time. But my heart is really with people that are like me, coaches, entrepreneurs, solopreneurs, people that are passionate about what they do that have often overcome this problem themselves. And then now their purpose is to help other people overcome it.

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Molly Claire 08:08

Yeah. I mean, and it's been so fun because of course, as friends and in our mastermind, I get to know about some of the incredible people that you're helping and their stories and what a gift to be a part of it. And Kris, I mean, you're so good at what you do. It's like, I feel like some of your strengths that I always know, okay, when I go to my mastermind group and I'm asking for things, right? Kris, you're going to get cut right to it. You see clearly, you express things clearly and you help to keep things simple. So anyway, needless to say, you're great at what you do. You're great, great at what you do. And on the personal side, you're also great at what you do, but sometimes the personal side can feel a bit messy sometimes. So Kris is a single mom of Jude who has a nervous system disability, ADHD, and a lot going on. And we're here to talk about this today. And I remember it was probably, well, it was like a little over a year ago as we were heading into the last summer when things were really difficult. And it's been really incredible for me to watch Kris and be with Kris in her very real struggle in her personal life with managing everything and to see how things have shifted. And I've seen how she's faced these things. So we're going to talk about it. So Kris, tell us a little bit more about Jude.

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Kris Jones 09:37

Okay, I am a single mom to Jude and he is seven and a half right now. I am a single mom by choice, which just means that I went through IVF, I got pregnant, I did it on my own. I wasn't partnered at the time. And I was just like, I really wanna be a mom and I'm gonna do this. And I am so glad I did. Definitely has been way harder than I ever imagined it to be. Yeah. But thankfully I was naive enough to actually move forward with it. And I am partnered now, which is wonderful. But those first six years of Jude and I together, I was not partnered and it was just the two of us. And I mean, that COVID was going on. And I was really like, I was really noticing even from a young age that Jude just wasn't like other kids. Even when I found a daycare for him, he was about a year and a half, two years old. And I thought, how's he gonna navigate daycare? Like he's gonna destroy this place. He just wasn't at all, I mean, most toddlers are not go with the flow, let's be honest, but this was like to another level. And so we did find like a Montessori school for him and he was able to go, but it was always a struggle. I was always getting notifications from the school and they were always telling me that he was struggling and that they were struggling with him. And we started doing OT at school occupational therapy, which is a common name for a lot of kids who have processing issues or have trouble with transitions or really fundamentally just have a problem staying regulated. And so we started there and then things just kind of amplified and amplified and got worse. And it got to the point where I was like, okay, I need to find a doctor who can help me understand what's going on. And this is about like the tail end of COVID. And I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but there's like a mental health crisis going on with pediatrics, meaning it's really hard to find a provider. Most providers aren't taking on new clients or patients. And if they are, there's a really long wait list that can be up to a year. I tried to get him evaluated and I talked to an evaluation group and they were like, yeah, we're a year out. It costs $4,000 to get evaluated. And unfortunately everywhere you call, it's a year long wait list, no matter where you're going. Oh my gosh. I was like, I couldn't figure out what was wrong with him and what he needed and how he needed to be supported. And so just that phase was really time-consuming and really frustrating. And I felt pretty helpless. He was such a handful. And so with that, people, instead of kind of coming toward him and toward me, they stayed away. He was just so hard. And I don't fault anyone for that. Like he couldn't stay regulated and he couldn't do the normal things like, hey, let's go get ice cream or let's go on lock. Or it was just, he would essentially with the nervous system disability, which a lot of people call PDA. And it's not super well known, but it's becoming more prevalent. It's just anything can push the child into a panic attack. And the panic attack looks like a major meltdown. So we would spend a lot of time like, I stripped out our bathroom so he couldn't ruin anything in the bathroom or throw anything or hurt himself. And he and I would go into the bathroom when he would have a meltdown and we would just be in there together and let it run its course. And I never left him alone with those big emotions, but I did have to create a safe environment for us.

Molly Claire 14:31

Which is really so hard, right? It's so hard. I think these situations when you have a child like that, and I didn't have a child quite the same as Jude, but I remember one of my kids having really explosive behaviors and having to just completely hold him down so that he wasn't hurting anyone. And it's like it really requires every bit of you to show up and be there and do whatever it takes to be with them. And it is not easy.

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Kris Jones 15:07

It is true survival mode for everybody. Yeah, and that was happening on a daily basis for sure. And then if people wanted to come over and get together, I would have to really warn them like, I just need to let you know this could happen. I might disappear for an hour at any given time, or you might come over like we were at the beach for a while and I had a friend come to visit and I was like, you know, you might be on your own, like you and your daughter might be on your own, because Jude and I might have to go tend to whatever is going on for him. So, you know, you really do learn who your people are and who, who shows up for you in those difficult times. And, and, and yeah, it was, it was hard. I needed help and, and I think most people were uncomfortable with his behavior understandably and just didn't know how to help. I thankfully like I found a nanny who could handle it, you know? Yeah. Remember like this moment being like his name is Aiden and I was like, Aiden, I'm so sorry. Like, I know this is really hard. And I'll never forget. He goes, he, you know, he, he actually kind of reminds me of myself when I was that little, and I was like, it was like, he was 21 at the time. And I'm like, what a wise, compassionate young man. He's still in our lives.

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Molly Claire 16:47

Yeah, you know, and as you're talking, I'm thinking and you know, everyone listening here, maybe you don't relate to Kris's exact situation, right? Or even a similar situation in terms of, you know, a child that you're struggling with. But I think we all face these things in our life that can move us to feeling a bit isolated and lonely in the struggle that we're having. And I think especially, I don't know, tell me what you think about this, but I think especially as maybe the person who, right, we're like, we're the leader in our own life, and we're holding things together. And right there, you are running the business, doing all the things, you appear so capable to everybody. And so strong that I think that it almost, I think people can get the impression from that, that you're fine and don't need the help. And meanwhile, you're really feeling isolated and on your own and overwhelmed.

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Kris Jones 17:50

And pretty helpless, like, you know, really trying to get help, trying to get medical attention and support and guidance. And I tried a lot of different parenting approaches and I was like, parenting approach, book after book, coach after coach, like nothing is working for this child and it's pretty defeating, you know, and confusing and very overwhelming and really tiring. I mean, it was, it was so much, it was so much and I have so much, I'm such a better person for it, right? Like, when you experience that level of, or that depth of difficulty and pain and sadness and disappointment and it's not gone or better in a week. Like, we're talking about, like, a few years of this. Right. So, you know, how do I figure out how to thrive and live my life and without, like, this is going to sound, it's not quite accurate, but without, like, letting him bring me down, like, without, you know, it doesn't serve either of us if we both self-combust.

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Molly Claire 19:19

Right, right, right. Well, and as you're talking, I feel like I want to really lean into this because, we're all going to have big challenges, I think, and I think those of us who are like we're these ambitious souls, right? We feel that sense of purpose and drive and for whatever reason, right? Sometimes expanding requires some of these growth opportunities and so we will face them and so, you know, it's like when we're presented with this we can allow it to take us down, which we've all experienced feeling that sometimes. We can try to turn a blind eye and write like try to disconnect from it, which we've all probably tried an experience, but doesn't work so well, And then you know what I believe is the path that lends itself to not only the most growth, but the most connections, self-connection, connection with others and also that ability to... Using that word that you just said a few minutes ago to really thrive right to be able to thrive within what is seemingly impossible and that path in my opinion is the leaning into how do I… what within me needs to be cared about, attended to, taken care of, right? What do I need to do with me in order to be okay here for me and for them? Hey, right and I know you've done that. So talk a little bit more about your path within this of really working with your own nervous system and your own regulation, and all of it.

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Kris Jones 21:14

I mean, it's pretty liberating when you, you know, start to recognize how in tune your children are to your own sense of calm or anxiety, right? And so I was like, okay, I can't control him. Like I feel very, right? This is somebody different from me, right? It's, he has his own individual path and journey that I don't have a lot of control over. Like as parents, I think it's really humbling to realize that, especially with a child like Jude, who's, you know, very, you know, pretty defiant and, um, very much his own person. And so I kind of turned the spotlight back to myself, always continuing to like keep digging and keep working on how to support him better. And I did eventually find a psychiatrist and a therapist and some medicine and some practices like Jude and I do tapping every night before bed. He asks to do that. So there are tools that we've used that are great, but what helped me is just to be like, okay, I need to focus on cleaning up my own side of the street and how can I support myself and my nervous system and let go of maybe old stories or energy that is not, you know, supporting the situation. Um, that felt really good to me, like, okay, how can I, what kind of daily practices can I do? What's something I can plan for the week to give me joy? Um, I like during the thick of this, I started meditating. I, um, did some ketamine therapy. I was doing a Hoppe practice. So when he would go to bed, I would kind of do little things that would keep me centered and grounded and quiet myself a little bit. And those practices have just stayed with me because they've been a real life raft.

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Molly Claire 23:29

Yeah. And there, I mean, there's so much wisdom in that because I think, you know, when we have these situations that seem like they could take us down or that seem to be requiring everything from us, it can be easy to sort of feel a victim to that or really believe that we don't have time to do these things to care for ourselves, that our wellbeing has to be on the shelf and the exact opposite is true, right? And that's where you're living, breathing proof of that of saying like, I have to be okay. I actually, no, it's not that, oh, this means my wellbeing happens later. It means more than anything, my wellbeing comes first right now. And that's, I mean, it's interesting because in this situation, we're, we're talking about you working, cleaning up your side of the street, right? Working on your old stories, traumas, regulating your nervous system, knowing what a very real impact that's going to have on him. And I think a lot of people don't realize that even kids in general, right? Like Jude's, you know, special, special considerations aside, kids need us to help them co-regulate. They just do. And so here we see this very real, you know, practical tangible example of you being able to do that and it having an impact on him. And this is true in general for all of us, right? Everyone listening here, if you're not taking adequate care of yourself and cleaning up your side of the street and attending to your mental, emotional, physical, and nervous system needs, then, then I think we're all really missing out on bringing something so much better to the people around us.

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Kris Jones 25:21

And we can affect that, you know, we can, we're in control of that. And these little kids that we have, whether they're, you know, Jude is highly sensitive. All kids are, you know, all kids at those younger ages are just, they're little sponges and they listen to our breath. Like I remember when I would take a deep breath, Jude would say, what's wrong? And I'm like, I didn't even know I took it. I just, a deep breath. And he's constantly making sure that, you know, I'm in a good place because that's his sense of safety.

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Molly Claire 26:06

Mm hmm. That's right. And one thing that also came to my mind a little bit ago in this conversation is, you know, how challenging it can be when we're in a situation where we feel like others are probably judging us, right, no matter what we're facing, because, you know, I was thinking about for myself as a mom when I would, you know, be trying to help my kids with something they were dealing with, whether it was anxiety or whatever, and people, everyone has so many opinions about it, right? And same thing, I think about, you know, going through my divorce, like, just as you're facing things, people can have a lot of opinions. And whether we like it or not, it can be pretty hard, right? Oh, yeah.

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Kris Jones 26:56

Yeah, you can feel it. And there are comments, you know, like, well, Jude runs the show, you know, like things like that, where people think like, if I had a kid like that, I'd smack him on the butt and tell him no. And it's like, well, yeah, it actually doesn't work. I tried everything, I obviously never like hit my kid. But like, if there was some approach or tactic that would have helped him, I tried it. And it didn't work. But it's very easy for other parents, just because they're parents to feel like they're experts in parenting, but they're not experts in parenting your child, right? You can't, there are other comments, just people make like, they're, there's judgment underneath them, but they're relatively harmless. And they're not intentional. But like, yeah, we just, you know, we just made our kids like eat what was on the table. And just some kids are more compliant than others. Some kids go with the flow, kids follow directions. And some kids just do not like Jude would be somebody who would rather starve for three days than eat. If I was going to force him to eat something like he wouldn't do it. Like, so there's this way of being as a parent, probably globally, where once you have a kid, then you're the expert on all kids. And I just, this whole journey has been so humbling in that way. And I have, like, really leaned into the fact that oh my gosh, every kid is so different. And I cannot ever ever have any judgments about others after what I've been through.

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Kris Jones 28:50

I don't know. Yeah, but it sucks to know that you're being judged or to know that people aren't wanting to hang out with you because you're like somebody who, in my life, has, I want to be liked. Everybody does. Everybody wants to be accepted. Everybody wants to belong. And then to be moving through the world with somebody who doesn't, that's not a priority for Jude. He wants to be true to himself and he navigates the world in such a different way. And just to feel the judgment and to feel the people maybe pulling away rather than leaning in is one of the most painful parts.

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Molly Claire 29:44

Yeah, and I think that, you know, as you're talking about it, I'm just thinking about the sort of nuanced way that we navigate that where I think it's really important for all of us to remember that when we perceive, receive, you know, experience judgment, that it is actually going to be very painful. And I think there is a sense of grieving, it brings up a lot of fear, right? It's impossible for it to not bring up those emotions for us. And I think that, you know, as much as we as we think it could be easy to just shut them out, you know, Kris, as you and I know, and as we use the tapping process and everything, it's really important to give those emotions some space, because they're not going to you cannot ignore them and have them just go away. And we can't control what other people think either. So

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Kris Jones 30:47

No, no, I talked to my nurse practitioner earlier today and she's like, she goes, it's like a garbage compactor. Like the emotions go in. If we shove them down, they get mushed down and then more stuff comes in and then it gets compacted on top of that. Like you have to let this stuff move through you for sure.

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Molly Claire 31:09

That's right. That's right. And so it's kind of like I think about, you know, for those of you listening, whether it's with regard to a situation, you know, as a parent, or, you know, just that place in your life where maybe you're struggling and also feeling the sense of judgment. I think the space and place to understand how very human it is to feel sadness and grief and to not like that. And at the same time, continuing to take steps to lean into showing up the way you know that you want to and really releasing, trying to control what other people think, right? Like one of the things I've always thought is like the people that are judging me, they don't have to live my life. They're not the ones in my very shoes, right? In this marriage or in this life, or they're not the ones. And so they can judge things all day long, but until you're standing where I am, they don't know. They don't know, nobody does.

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Kris Jones 32:08

And it's honestly a gift, like, I think, you know, I've grown up in Portland, Oregon my whole life and so like over the years you collect more and more and more friends and ultimately like the circle of people that you know can get like mine was quite big and what Jude did for me is he shrunk it down. And that might sound like a negative thing but it was such a gift because you really identify who are you real people like who are the real people you can't manage more than a handful of really close friendships anyway. And so now I get to really invest in the people that have an understanding and a compassion and a lack of judgment because they get it. And so I'm really grateful for it and ultimately like it, it forced me to create a lot of boundaries around my work, and that like the work that I do now the way I deliver my offer is very contained it's like within a 30 day period, and I have, you know, clear lines around what I, what I deliver, and what's beyond that and that would have never ever happened. So, yeah, it's more sustainable for me all of it, long term.

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Molly Claire 33:36

Yeah, yeah, what a gift, right? To force you into that simpler, more sustainable. So yeah, talk a little bit about that for you. Because I know many listeners, no matter if they, you know, own a business or whatever that, that we all can feel that struggle of being pulled between business, you know, work and personal life. Talk a little bit about what that was like for you, in particular, in the thick of it, of, you know, of being a mom and having Jude and your business.

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Kris Jones 34:10

Yeah. I mean, it ultimately, it forced me to ask the question, what's the biggest problem I can solve in the shortest amount of time? Prior to that, like I am a writer, I'm a designer. I can do a lot of things. You want me to design your trade show booth? I can do that, but I don't, I don't talk about that stuff because I honed in on the way I can move the needle on in the biggest way for my clients while also really, really tuning into what feels fun and effortless for me to deliver. And then ultimately I came up with this idea and I had the help of another coach, Neill Williams, who was a student of yours. And she helped me, you know, as, as coaches and consultants, we really are inside of our own bottle trying to read that label that can only be read from the outside. And Neil helped me read my own label. And so we crafted this offer, the first version of it, which was all about telling your story specifically on your website. And I took a few clients through it just to kind of proof of concept and it worked and they kept working and I kept honing the offer and ultimately what it allows me to do is gather the information I need from my client, take that information, write their story, but I do that on my own time so I can do that any given time. And that's the ticket to all of this as a mom. Like if you can get the work done on your own time and your own schedule, you can do it. There's always little windows of an hour here, 30 minutes here and so I had the freedom there and then I would meet with my client for a 90-minute, real focused, deep intensive and that's really the bulk of the work that we would do collaboratively. And then I ultimately, I hired an assistant who was able to just take care of the communication with my clients. So like those little details didn't get dropped and I could really hone in on my zone of genius, know that she's got my back with kind of client management and communication. And so the way it looks right now is really very similar to where it started and that this 90 minute collaboration call is like where all the magic happens and there's prep work prior to that and there's work that I do after that, but that's all on my own time and then my clients just get these incredible results and it's so delightful. And I'm always just like I've taken hundreds of people through it by now and it always works. And sometimes I get the question, like what if my business is an anomaly or what if like because I have two different types of clients, like how is this gonna work? And I'm like, it always works. I can't tell you how or why, but it just always works. And so it's been a real delight. And then I know that I only have the bandwidth to work with two clients per week. And so I kept my week off after I have two clients booked for that week and then I'm booked out right now till early October. It's great. I mean, it's such a joy. It's like that's the other thing about like navigating this path with Jude. My work became such a happy place. It was such a respite, right? It wasn't another thing that depleted me. It was like this place I could go and accomplish things and be creative and have deep connection with my clients and really truly help them and really move the needle for their purpose and their dream. And so that was honest to God in hindsight. Like my work during that time was a real lifeline for me.

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Molly Claire 38:40

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, I love that. And I relate to that. I relate to that. It really is such a gift to be able to do work that's meaningful and lights you up. And it's so interesting because when you said that, I've talked with several clients over the years that feel guilty that their business is kind of an escape from their personal life because they think that that's bad and that's wrong. And, you know, the truth is that life is challenging and different areas of our life are more challenging at certain times than others. And I just think any time we can have something that is bringing in positivity and, you know, again, like that, that creativity, that growth, that lighting you up, I just think it's healthy for all of us and better across the board. So anyone listening, if you feel guilty that any one area of your life feels like reprieve or, you know, just let's not do that anymore. Well, this has been such an awesome conversation. Kris, I would love to hear just kind of any, you know, final words like that you would share to someone who's, you know, maybe struggling either with a child or something, you know, behind the scenes that really feels like it could take them down. Right. Yeah.

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Kris Jones 40:09

Um, I mean, I, I think it can be, um, helpful to just remind yourself that life is such a mixed bag and nobody gets through it unscathed. Like nobody, this whole journey is, um, we don't sign up for this life experience to skate by, right? Like, of course we want to have joy and of course we want to do things that feel good. And the reality is like, there's like three different categories of life. Um, I heard this a long time ago and it just popped into my brain. There's like health-related stuff. There's financial and work-related stuff. And then there's relationship-related stuff like that includes family, children, husbands, wives. And essentially everyone's struggling at any given time in one of those areas, right? It's just what we sign up for. And somehow like I found it comforting to know that other people were struggling. You know, when I was going through my struggle, I was like, you know, this is my challenge right now. And other people are in maybe a real difficult marriage or other people are trying to figure out how to make ends meet or, um, find, find meaningful work and 40 hours a week ish or however much you work, you know, that's a lot of hours a week to do something that doesn't feed you and that doesn't fill you up. And so I feel really grateful that that was a respite for me and I could really use that as a buoy, uh, to keep me aligned with meaning and purpose while I navigated this path. And I, I do want to share like Jude has come so far and he has found a good place within his own span. Like he's enjoying his life and we did ultimately like he is, um, taking medicine to help him stay regulated. And that is something I was not, I never thought I would be open to. Like I was all about, I don't know. There's a hippie side to me that like...

Kris Jones 42:47

When your kid needs help, you just keep working on it until they get the help they need. And that's where we landed, medicine. This incredible book that I read called Raising Lions, which hopefully you'll get to talk with the author of that book at some point. I just never gave up when it needed him. And after years, it has really paid off and he's able to go to camps now. He was never able to go to camps like a couple of years ago. I was getting calls that he demolished the camp room. He was eloping, running away. Like it was, I don't take anything for granted anymore. And I'm so proud of where he is and the little things like I just never take them for granted. And I'm just celebrating the wins. Yeah, yeah. Because I know the other side of that. And so we've come a long way.

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Molly Claire 43:51

He’s at camp right now, right? School of rock camp?

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Kris Jones 43:55

Playing what he calls keys, and so and so what's your what's your instrument? Keys. Which is the real rock and roll term for piano, keyboard. He's having fun. We're about to go on a big vacation next week. And so he's a lover like he has so much love for me as his mom and that can come through now, and that wasn't accessible to him before so yeah. Yeah, like got a lot of love for his mama.

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Molly Claire 44:36

Yeah, yeah, so great. Well, I want to just highlight a couple things as we close up. And then I'd like for you to tell people where they could find you if they're interested also in connecting with you professionally. But you know, as we're, as we're wrapping up, I think some of the things I just, I hope that everyone can take away from this is really remembering and realizing we all struggle with big things, whether people know it or not. And I think that we often compare our internal experience, the emotions, the struggles, the despair, with what we see on the external of someone else, right, the exterior success. And so we've just got to remember that everybody struggles, no one is exempt from it. And I think, you know, I can say, you know, as Kris's friends, some of the things that I've seen in you in her and as has been evident here are, you know, some of these, these keys to navigating it well, which are, number one, staying the course, right, staying the course with running my business, leaning into what he needs, not giving up, there's something so powerful about staying the course. You know, another thing that really stands out is that leaning into self, right? Okay, what's going on for me within this? How do I make sure I'm well rested, I'm well nourished in, you know, mentally, physically, all of those ways, you know, another huge, huge key to success. And then also, I think just, as you know, it kind of just happened for you that you had this joy, not just happened for you, you created your business, right, but you, finding that joy and reprieve in your work. And I think for all of us, it's really good to remember, when we're in the thick of it, where and how are we getting reprieve? Where and how are we having that joy? Because I think it really becomes like a buoy for us. Okay, Kris, if someone's interested in finding you, following you...

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Kris Jones 46:38

Pretty much if you're interested in learning more about me, you can go to my website, which is reddoorstories.com. And you can learn about my main offer there, which is all about signature storytelling. And then there's also a freebie there, which is called how to write compelling copy in five minutes flat. So that will give you kind of the fundamentals of how to tell your story for free. I also have a private podcast there that I do a lot of teaching in, and I have my own podcast called From Click to Client, which Molly is gonna be on soon.

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Molly Claire 47:23

Yes, that's right. That's next up. So awesome. And of course, I've interviewed Kris on this podcast when it was the Masterful Coach podcast a couple of times. So go check out those episodes and thank you so much Kris for being here and sharing this with us.

Kris Jones 47:41

Thank you. It was really fun to talk about it.

Molly Claire 47:45

Yeah. So great. All right. Thanks everyone. And I'll talk with you next time. Bye.