Molly Claire 00:39

Hey everyone, I've got a fantastic conversation on the podcast for you today. I'm talking with Holly Haynes and let me tell you, she is such a shining example of really leaning in to creating a business that supports the life you want. You're going to hear from her about how she left corporate and how as she leaned into designing the life that she wanted, it came to fruition. And she's going to talk with you about quality of life and what that means for her specifically. Because the truth is that we all talk about wanting something different, wanting something better, wanting some ideal. But how often do we give ourselves permission to truly evaluate what that means for us, what that means for you specifically. I'm such a big believer in really paying attention to your own desires, your own values, and your own priorities and allowing them to be important enough to go after building that life. So this episode is incredible. You're going to love it. Before we go there, I want to make sure that if you're listening to this and it is just coming out today, this week we started the life mastery reset. This is a four week live training I'm doing where I'm helping you look at four core areas of your life, lean into one and truly do a complete reset for yourself. We're going inward. We're taking a look at your thought patterns, at your beliefs, at your regular emotional states and how to also create nervous system regulation. This four weeks is out of this world. Incredible. And yes, we did start on Monday the 13th. But if you're listening to this and it's still week one, it's not too late. Click the link in the show notes or head over to mollyclaire.com, join the life mastery reset. It is an incredible opportunity. I am going to be there with you answering your questions, helping you to work through your own shift, your own life mastery reset. All right, let's go ahead and get started with this week's podcast. Hello, everyone. Welcome to this interview. I know you're going to love it. I'm so excited for this conversation with Holly Haynes of the Crush the Rush podcast and so much more. Welcome, Holly. 

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Holly Haynes 02:52

Hi, thank you so much for having me.

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Molly Claire 02:54

I'm so excited about this conversation and I would love for you to just tell my audience a little bit about you.

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Holly Haynes 03:00

Yeah, so my name is Holly. I live in Columbus, Ohio. I actually have a little bit of a different background. I worked in corporate strategy for 22 years and I did not start my business until, I guess I was like 43. I don't even know how old I am, but I'm later in life. It was definitely a later start. I have twin daughters. They were in kindergarten at the time. And I had this idea of I really wanna help mentor women in business because I had done it for so long in my career. And so I thought, hey, I'm gonna start a podcast. This was in 2020. I did not know the pandemic was coming along. I had no idea like what I was doing. I was like, let's just do it for fun. And long story short, we launched the podcast in March of 2020, which was literally the day the first case of COVID hit the United States. And I remember sitting in my basement, like what do I do? Like, do I keep going? Like I have this big plan. Do I pause? Long story short, I just kept going. And the podcast became this like very organic growth engine of me sharing like my goals of how I wanted to help women in business, but I didn't really know how I was gonna get there. There's also a pandemic. My girls are in kindergarten. We're doing like homeschooling. And it was like a whole like hot mess, but I think people appreciated it because it was real life. And I was able to share my strategic side that I actually had a degree in, but also like real life. This is what we're doing for our family that's working. And so the podcasts took off. And so we sort of built our business on the backend of that. And that's honestly what I love teaching is this organic like grassroots way of really intentionally building a business that serves you first and then your clients. But the last thing that I wanted to do was leave my corporate job and like sit on Zoom all day long. I think it's not gonna happen. Like I promise you it's not gonna happen. And so I was able to leave my corporate job. I retired myself and my husband. And so now we do this full-time.

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Molly Claire 05:16

So awesome. And you know, as you're talking, what I love about your story and all the different parts of it is that it really does, to me, exemplify what I'm really talking about when I'm talking about life mastery. Because life mastery is not about having everything perfectly aligned and knowing everything you're doing, right? But it really is- It's that realness. It's being authentic. It's being messy and leaning in. And I just, it's so great. And I love the, you know, the values behind your business as well, where you've really been committed to saying, this has to work for me. And this has to be, you didn't say this, I'm kind of putting words in your mouth about this, but the way you do your business has to continue to light you up.

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Holly Haynes 06:04

Yeah. I had a decent job. And so it was like, I mean, I guess I could keep doing this. If I wanted to, it's not like I didn't like it, but it's like, if I'm gonna take this risk, and I mean, it was also a financial risk, then I better make sure that there's a reward on the other side. And I wanted it to like change the way that our family operated. And I think that's one of the reasons that we teach, like you don't have to market your business like everyone else. You can do it in a way that matches what you wanna do. And one of the things that I, one of the stories that I share is, I call it the bus stop dream. But I was like, I just wanted a schedule where I could get my girls on the bus and pick them up. Because I reported to the C-suite and like you can't get your kids on the bus at 8:30 in the morning and then get to work at 10 o'clock and be like, okay, I'm ready now. Like it just didn't work that way. And so my whole intention was like, how do we create a schedule that like flows for our family but then also is rewarding in what you're doing?

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Molly Claire 07:06

Mm, yes, I love that because the reward isn't necessarily the financial reward. Yeah, the financial piece funds all of it, right? Yeah, it's not that it doesn't matter, but the reward is being there, right? Being where you want to be with the people you want to be with when you want to. Yeah, and the fulfilling nature of it. Yeah, I know. I mean, I relate so much to that because, you know, as I was becoming a single mom and building my business, I just, having been raised by an overworked, burned-out, exhausted single mom, I did not want that for my kids. I wanted to be there in the morning and be there after school and be there for all the things. And so it's a pretty powerful driver when you lean into making that happen.

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Holly Haynes 07:54

Yeah. I mean, we were just talking on our podcast, Molly was on our podcast about anchors. And like, that was my anchor of like, this has to, this has to work for our family and it has to feel different. And that's sort of like how we built our whole business model.

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Molly Claire 08:09

Which really it is, I just want to say this out loud to all of you who are entrepreneurs, who are building a business, that truly this thing that seems maybe like a soft thing of our values and building a business that fits you, I think it truly to me is the most powerful engine behind any business and success.

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Holly Haynes 08:33

Yeah, I mean, it sounds really simple, like I just want to put my, but it's like, okay, well, I have all these things to do and I have to be done by, my girls now get home at like 2:45, which is so early, like the day, like what happened to the day? But it's like, okay, then like, how do I structure it so that I'm done at this time and I'm not on my phone all the time and we're still doing the things that we want to do. And so it actually becomes pretty big, but it's just like this one simple rule.

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Molly Claire 09:01

Yeah, that's right. Just that non-negotiable. Yeah. So one of the things that I would love for you to talk about is your anti-social school. So yeah, tell us a little bit about this.

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Holly Haynes 09:16

Yeah, so it's kind of I don't know if anyone listening is like a Taylor Swift fan, but our anti-social school program came out at the same time as her anti-hero song and I was like, this is a sign from the universe that this is the right thing. Like this is the right because everyone's like anti-social. What does that mean? And I'm like anti-social is actually very social. What it means is we're teaching a marketing strategy and a growth strategy. So like how to turn leads to sales without being on social media. Now I am on social media, but I'd like to say that it's like my second, like my sidecar. It's like my second act. Everything is repurposed. If you dig deep into my social strategy, you will see it repeated. It comes from my podcast. We've got like a whole system behind it. I haven't even opened my phone today. I'm pretty sure I have like seven posts scheduled over the next month. Like it's a very systematic way of being online. I also have clients who are not on social media at all. Most of our sales, none of our sales come from social. I mean, we might get, I call them unicorns that like fly into our inbox, but that's not how we're driving sales. And so I love to teach like, let's figure out the marketing strategy that works best for you. I think when you think about social, I don't want to say it's easy, but it's like, well, I can just create an account and post and see what happens. But a lot of people don't think about like the strategy behind it. And so what we teach is let's really dial into like who you're serving, what your messaging is, what are the words that you're using? What season are we in? Because that's very different depending on who your audience is. What does your calendar look like? Like what are you trying to do? What are your goals? And then get into the, to the marketing piece. And a lot of times, you know, it will look very organic and grassrootsy of like, okay, maybe I will go talk on podcasts, but maybe I'll dial into blogging. Maybe I'm going to dig into SEO. Maybe I'm going to write a book and maybe there's like a funnel behind the book and then that drives it. And so it's really coming up with this like custom plan that dials into, well, like how do you want to feel this season? What do you want to do this season? And how does that align with what you're launching? And what I have found is when you really align your messaging with how you feel, what you're excited about what's happening in the season. Maybe we actually went to Hawaii for 10 days and I didn't take my laptop or anything. And when I came back, I was like, that was so great. Like, how can we do more of that? And it fuels the energy behind what you're doing, which then creates better content. It gets better results for your clients.

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Holly Haynes 12:02

And so we really lean into this like grassroots effort to help you scale. And it's sort of like just, I don't know, I think, man, I don't know if people just like the name of anti-social school or it's just one of those things that it's like, huh, maybe I just need to slow down and think about how could I run my business if I wasn't tied to that next post or I wasn't tied to doing stories 10 times a day? Like how would that feel?

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Molly Claire 12:29

I mean I love the name and I think also that you know it's I've seen this for years with you know coaches that I've trained and clients of mine that come to me and we have this idea and I know we're speaking about business but those of you listening that don't have a business also it's like we have this idea in general that we need to be doing all the things right we need to be doing all the things to succeed so in our personal life we need to be doing all the things as a mom or we need to be doing you know all the things in building a business and too many business owners end up spread thin and exhausted and it's like why do you want to have a business if it's just gonna like kill you right yeah and and so I know so many of my clients I hear them say you know I know I need to do social media we have this idea and it's really not true and you know I'm a huge advocate of that same philosophy like we need to build a business that works for you.

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Holly Haynes 13:30

Yeah. And my number one question is always like, well, where are your clients coming from? Where do they hang out? Because I mean, right now we were talking about my girls are in sixth grade and I mean, I haven't even had time to open Instagram. And if I do, I'm like reposting some quote about like how busy I feel like it's not strategic at all. And it's like, because there's so much going on like in our personal life. And I'm like, I don't, I don't have time for this right now. I just don't, but we do have like an email marketing plan and we have an SEO plan. And I have what I call a client attraction plan of like how I'm getting in front of other people's audiences. And I have a podcasting plan. And that sounds like a lot, but it's strategically scheduled to my schedule. So I can control when I'm doing, you know, certain activities and when I'm not. And so that's really what we teach is like, what do you want your schedule to look like? And then how can you layer in these activities that are going to put you in front of other people's audiences or that are going to help you spread the message that you want to spread.

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Molly Claire 14:34

Mm-hmm. Yeah, this is so fun. I can tell you and I are like so aligned in our methodology. I am really excited about it. It's true though, right? Because it's like as I was sharing with you when I was on your podcast, which will probably air on mine as well, so we can hear both. But I have this huge calendar on my wall, right? Where it's like, okay, I put in, here's the kid's schedule. Here's the time I want off. How do I build around that? And I think that one of the big problems that we have, one of the ways of thinking that we as a society share and toss around is, oh, it would be nice. Wouldn't it be nice if- I wish I had that luxury? But I think we have to choose to create that luxury for ourselves.

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Holly Haynes 15:19

Yeah. And you know, a lot of times it's like, okay, well, you know, I know you're talking a lot about goals and like, what's your goal for the season and like quarterly planning. And so it's like, okay, I just want two new clients this season. Like a lot of times our goals are, I mean, they're big goals, but like they're, they're simpler than we think they are. So it's like, great. What's the best way to get two new clients? Okay. Maybe host an open house to your program. It's an hour, right? You get people, you show them what you do. You let them ask questions. It's free. It takes an hour of your time. Like you didn't even open your app, right? To post anything. And so I just think there's like really cool, creative things that you can do to attract the person that you want to attract. If you slow down to think about, well, what, what is that goal? And like, how do I work backwards to get to it?

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Molly Claire 16:07

Yeah, I want to take this in a little different direction because I know that you recently really took a look at how you could make things better in your business, better for you, better for your clients, and so I want to talk a little about that. But you know, just those of you listening, if you have a business, if this is resonating and this feels like what you would like to lean into, I just want to take a moment to just reiterate to you that truly building a business your way that is successful, it works. Allowing yourself to get curious about what lights me up, what do I love to do, what would work for me, is actually the way I believe that is the secret to a sustainable business and one that grows, though.

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Holly Haynes 17:00

Because you know, like today is my podcasting day. So I don't have anything else on the calendar except podcasting because I do have to get my girls off the bus and then they have dance class and then they have homework. And so it's like, I'm making the choice of this is where my energy is focused today. But then I know like tomorrow or the next day that there are other activities that are aligned with our marketing plan that lean into what our goals are for the season. But it's planned around my schedule instead of, I don't know, I'm not great at reels or some of the social trends. And it's like, do I really want to spend two hours like creating a reel that, you know maybe a hundred people are going to see or is there a super strategic like three-part email series that I can write that are going to get people engaged in who I am and what we're offering and how we can help. And it's much more aligned with sort of how I work but also probably how they do. Like you're going to attract the people that wants to emulate what you have as well. Yeah.

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Molly Claire 18:06

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And also, I just, I mean, wouldn't you say, Holly, that the journey behind the scenes with building what you have and aligning your priorities, it's challenging. It is hard. What, right?

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Holly Haynes 18:23

Yeah, well, I mean, I won't lie, like, people are like, you have a program called anti-social school? Like, is that negative? And I'm like, no, it's so positive. But it's different, right? Like, it's different than maybe what others are teaching, although I feel like it's become a little more mainstream now to think through different ways to share. But I mean, we joke, like, sometimes our neighbors are like, what are they doing today? Because my husband stays at home and we work together and we're so we're both home all day and we're both at the bus stop and we're in there. I feel like people look at us like, like, what is going on in that household? Like, what is happening? And I will share like one of the other anchors that we created as a family when I left my corporate job was to travel once a quarter. And I honestly like made this up in my head. I know, like, I was like, but this sounds fun. Let's just do it. We knew we liked to travel and it has turned into this like whole thing because it's every three months. And so we've over the last two and a half years, we've taken my girls to like 11 different countries. Oh my gosh, it's like one of those like little silly things that you're just going to put out there. But it's forced me to really stick to this, hey, I don't want to rely on being on social media because I want to travel. I want to go have experiences. And if I can have systems set up behind the scenes to help me still sell and still launch and still do the things that we need to do, then it's sort of opened up like even more capacity, which is very different, I think, than what sometimes you see or hear about.

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Molly Claire 20:07

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that, you know, part of the reason I ask about just the challenge as well behind the scenes is that I think it's easy for people to see you to listen to you, right? And just think that everything is perfect. Everything is easy. And it's like, Oh, no, I love I can see you laughing. I know some of you are just listening, right? But it's like, you're Holly and I are looking at each other like, Oh, yeah, we know, right? Because, because it's hard. It's hard emotionally, we all face no matter how much success we have, or no matter, you know, because- and there are genuine good things, right? It's like this entire conversation and all the things you've created in quality of life and, you know, success, it's all real. And it isn't without true challenges, right? And, and self doubt and fears and the mess of all of it.

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Holly Haynes 21:02

I will say a lot of times, you know, being very present on social media is like a dopamine rush, because it's like, oh, I'm gonna it's super quick, you can post pretty fast, you're gonna get feedback, it maybe hopefully feels good if people comment. And so when you're not doing that, a lot of times you feel like you're working like in this, like, is anyone out there? Like, is anyone listening? I'm writing all these emails, like, is anyone gonna pay attention? I just pitched myself to 10 podcasts, like, is anyone gonna respond? And so it's a very different way of thinking about your business. And, you know, one of the things that I talk about a lot is like, we can't control the outcome, but we can control the actions. And so I'm super consistent. And it's one of the things we teach in anti-social school about, you know, whatever your goal is, but then having like a strategic execution plan of like, okay, this month, like, I'm gonna write three blog posts, and I'm gonna pitch 10 people. And I'm just giving like basic examples. But like, we don't know what's gonna happen on the other end. But we do know like, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna do these things. And a lot of times, this is like a super old book, but it's come up recently, it's called Eat the Frog. Like pitching yourself is like probably one of those tasks that you don't want to do. It's way easier, maybe to like post a reel or do a story or scroll, TikTok or whatever than it is to be like, okay, I genuinely need to connect with like three business owners and see what partnership opportunities exist, that's a little bit harder. But I would argue that the time savings is massive, and the impact is higher. And so sometimes it's like, it's hard to do those activities. But it should be more rewarding on the other side.

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Molly Claire 22:53

Yeah, I love that you brought that example up because I think that especially people who are maybe not as far along in their business building would see someone like you, right? And assume that when they're struggling with hearing crickets, that you never experienced that. But that's actually not true. And in fact, I think the more times we're willing to experience crickets, right? The more times, the more success we have. So it's like a muscle we have to build of being willing to.

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Holly Haynes 23:26

It totally is a muscle. I mean, and at the time we're recording this, we're like coming out of summer and I have to, I feel like I have to prepare my clients for the summer timeframe. I'm like, for some people, summer is amazing. For some people it is like slow and you probably are going to hear crickets, but I mean, I think that's the whole point of like entrepreneurship is one day it's going to be amazing and the next day you're going to be like questioning your sanity and it's like, okay, it's just the time. We're questioning things and it's going to pass. So that's why I always go back to like, okay, what are the things that I can control? What are the things that I can do? I don't know if people are going to respond, but these are the things that I can put into place.

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Molly Claire 24:06

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So many good things we could talk about. So tell me a little bit about- I know that it's great to have a great business and it's great to have a great quality of life. And I, one of the things I love about you and kind of your approach is wanting things to be even better, right? Not in a way where I think sometimes we can think about things being even better in terms of sort of this perfectionistic approach, but that's really not what we're talking about here. What we're talking about is you really wanting to make your business even more efficient, best possible experience for your clients and even more freedom for you. Tell us a little bit about that.

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Holly Haynes 24:55

Yeah, so anti-social school- actually I wrote the idea for on the plane back from Europe and I don't- I love the long airplane rides that are like 10 hours. It's like a bubble for me. It's like my favorite thing. I'm like, do not bother me. I'm just going to watch movies. Anyways, I had this like, okay, I need to create this program. So we'll, we'll skip past that. And so we had launched anti-social school like eight times like it, we've taught it a lot. We always taught it live. And it was just getting to the point where I knew that I couldn't sustain teaching it the way that I was teaching it like every quarter because it's a really big- it was a really big lift for me. I mean, people were getting amazing results, which is great. But it wasn't sustainable. From my perspective, and there were just- there was a lot of heavy lifting. And so I was like, I have to figure out a way where we can keep the live component of the program because I love that part. Yeah, that's a heavy lifting and feels a little bit different. And I also wanted it to be more of an evergreen so you could join any time instead of like having to wait. So there's some personal goals, but also like I just I also wanted to, you know, things changed with marketing, like I wanted to make it a better experience. So we like took a step back and said, Okay, we're going to change the program, which was super scary, because it was working. So it's like, what are you really going to do this? We took our time with it. So we did a lot of like client interviews. And like, what did you like? What did you not like? I sat down and was like, these are the things that I like to do. These are the things that could change. And long story short, it took us almost six months, we redid the entire program, we kept the things that I loved, like the live calls. And I like send you things in the mail and stuff that like is the core client experience. But then we also added in ways that I think really sets the program apart. And one of them is when you think about hiring somebody to support you, it's like, Okay, well, I want to get you a win, like right away. So we added in, I call it a heart promise. But it's like, what's the heart promise of the program? And the heart promises, we're going to get you a win in 24 hours. And I like had this idea, it's another random idea. And I was like, how are we going to pull this off? And so we really leaned into like, what can you do in 24 hours to like set yourself up so that you're not reliant on social media. And so we've got like a module now that helps you do that, like as soon as you sign up. Oh, that's awesome. And then now we also have this second heart promise which is you're going to have like a clear marketing and client attraction plan in six weeks. And so I can go through how we built it. But the key to it is we kept the things that we liked. And then we added in some automations and some systems. And we actually created AI bots for every single module, so that you could learn it, and then use the bot to help you implement it.

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Holly Haynes 27:50

Because I mean, bots are great for creating content, right? If you have the right inputs for it. So I created like eight individual bots that like help you do the homework. So then when you come to the live calls, you've done the homework, you've got a head start. And we're using the call in a much more strategic way instead of like, I don't know where to start. Now you've started and it's like change the trajectory of the program, because our clients are asking like such deeper questions, because it's quicker to sort of get the homework done. And it's just been so cool. To see like I didn't expect it to sort of work out that way. But I think it kind of goes back to your original question of like, it can be good. But like, how do we make it great? So now I think it's a better program. But it's also saving me time. And the time that I am in the program, like, I think I'm able to serve you better.

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Molly Claire 28:46

Yeah, I mean, I love this story. I love this example because I think that it's too easy for us to think that if we're going to pull back from doing so much in our life, in our business, whatever it is, if we're going to pull back that other people are going to be sacrificed, other people's experiences are going to be sacrificed. And it's absolutely not true. And a couple of things I want to highlight from this story that you shared that I love is, number one, that this came to you when you were, oh, well, actually, wait a minute. Let me make this clear. When you were kind of diving into shifting this, was it when you were coming away from travel? It was related to some of your travel, your time off.

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Holly Haynes 29:30

I mean, I feel like everything is related to me taking time off. Every time I take time off, I'm like, Oh, I never thought of it that way. And so I mean, I always just like preach white space, like find yourself some white space and all the answers will come.

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Molly Claire 29:47

Yes. And that's it. And that's what I wanted to highlight right there. You know, in the new book, that's what my chapter is about, is the fact that we have got to hold still long enough. Like, it's like if we think about a candle like in the wind, right? It's going to go out. But can we like, can we create enough still space around the candle for it to shine, right? And it's the same with us. And I could go so much into that. But what I love about Holly's story is, number one, she knows and understands this key principle that you have to give yourself rest and space so that you can access your greatest creativity. It is paramount.

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Holly Haynes 30:30

And it goes against like every grain in my body, right? I like to work. I like being busy. It is uncomfortable for me to have white space. Like I'm not I have forced myself to become a reader, but I like it doesn't come naturally to me. Like it is when you talk about like the imperfections and the challenges behind the scene, like it's huge for me. But I feel like the more that I do it, the more creative I am, like the better I do on interviews and client calls and it's like a reset.

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Molly Claire 31:01

Absolutely, and I think it- I think we need to shift from it being a nice to have to understanding that it's crucial if we really want to have the life, the business, the relationships that we want. It's crucial because we can't be at our highest best self without it.

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Holly Haynes 31:20

It goes back to the whole intention of our like anti-social strategy of like what if you didn't have to get on your phone today like how much more would you get done or how much like less scrolling time would you have it's not say that I don't get on my phone but like there's just a you know there's always room for improvement.

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Molly Claire 31:38

Oh, I mean, absolutely, and you know, as you know, I went on that river trip, you know, I'm just coming off of it as we're recording this. And I cannot tell you because I'd been before as well, being away from my phone for eight days with no option was, it's the best. I was so looking forward to it because I remember what it was like before. So amazing. And then the other thing I want to highlight about what Holly shared is that, you know, if you're in a place in your life or your business where you are feeling that sense of like, I need more space, I need to have more flexibility, I want to pull back and do less. The amount that I'm giving or putting in is not working for me. I promise you that when you challenge yourself to think about how can I reclaim the time, energy and space that I want and simultaneously have that create actually an even better experience for other people. Bringing those together will bring out brilliance in your book.

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Holly Haynes 32:41

I didn't expect it to even turn out this way. But I- you know, you’ve got to challenge yourself. And I knew that the outcome was both personal driven and business driven. And I think that's like where the magic happens when there's like a big personal goal sort of baked in there.

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Molly Claire 32:55

Yeah, yeah, totally. Well, this has been such an awesome interview. And trust me, you all need to check out Holly, her work, her podcast, she's gonna tell you more about where you can find that. But my hope is, as we wrap this podcast up, that you're really feeling inspired and reminded that your life is your life. You get to create the quality of your life that you desire. Give yourself permission to do it. Trust yourself. And really, if you need to lean on my belief or Holly's belief today, lean on that belief that the gifts and abilities that you have matter. And if you allow them to be great and allow them space, watch out, they will be for sure.

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Holly Haynes 33:43

Yeah.

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Molly Claire 33:44

Okay, Holly any final words that anything you want to say and also where people can find you

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Holly Haynes 33:51

Yeah, I mean, I would just really lean into like, build a business that works for you. I mean, that's the whole point of having a business. And I think a lot of times that gets lost in the shuffle. And then if you're curious about our anti-social framework, we actually have a free workshop and private podcasts, you get both because I know we're all busy. You can just go to hollymariehanes.com/workshop. And we walk you through the whole model, you can take away things that you can implement right now, some of our messaging techniques. And then there's a private podcast in there where you can listen to examples of businesses that have applied our anti-social model and get some more ideas.

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Molly Claire 34:33

I love it so awesome and then your podcast, of course, Crush the Rush.

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Holly Haynes 34:37

The podcast is Crush the Rush. You can find us anywhere at Crush the Rush. Molly is on there. We've got some really great interviews, and hopefully it'll give you some great ideas on how to apply this life-first business model.

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Molly Claire 34:50

So awesome. Thank you so much for your time. And by the way, everyone, all of this will be in the show notes. Thank you for your time, Holly. It's been so awesome.

Holly Haynes 34:59

Yeah. Thank you so much for having me.

Molly Claire 35:01

All right, everyone. I'll talk with you next time.